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Operator: Good afternoon. My name is John, and I will be your conference operator today. I would like to welcome everyone to the KB Home 26 Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call. All participant lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the company's opening remarks, we will open the lines for questions. This conference call is being recorded and a replay will be on the KB Home website until July 23, 2026. We will now turn the call over to Jill S. Peters, senior Vice President, Investor Relations. Thank you, Jill. You may begin.

Jill S. Peters: Thank you, John. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today to review our results for the second quarter of fiscal 26. On the call are Jeffrey T. Mezger, Executive Chairman; Robert V. McGibney, President and Chief Executive Officer; William R. Hollinger, Senior Vice President and Chief Accounting Officer; and Thad Johnson, senior vice president and treasurer. During this call, items will be discussed that are considered forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 2 thousand. These statements are not guarantees of future results and the company does not undertake any obligation to update them. Due to various factors, including those detailed in today's press release, and in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, actual results could be materially different from those stated or implied in the forward looking statements. In addition, an explanation and or reconciliation of the non GAAP measure of adjusted housing gross profit margin as well as any other non GAAP measure referenced during today's discussion to its most directly comparable GAAP measure can be found in today's press release and/or on the Investor Relations page of our site at kbhome.com. And finally, please note all figures are based on our quarter ended May 31 and all comparisons are on a year over year basis unless otherwise stated. And with that, here is Jeffrey T. Mezger.

Jeffrey T. Mezger: Thank you, Jill, and good afternoon, everyone. We are pleased to report second quarter results that met or exceeded the midpoint of our key guidance ranges and reflected sequential improvement in our adjusted housing gross profit margin. Operationally, our execution remains strong as we achieved double digit year over year community count growth, and further reduced our build times. We exceeded our expected mix of built to order sales during the quarter And with the return to this core business model, we expect to have more predictability in deliveries at better gross margins than we would achieve by relying on selling inventory homes. At a high level, our second quarter results included total revenues of $1.1 billion and diluted earnings per share of $0.43. With our significant financial flexibility, we remain balanced in our capital allocation, investing for growth, while also returning capital to our shareholders. We repurchased 1.4 million shares of our common stock at an average price below our current book value per share. We believe this is an excellent use of our cash, accretive to both our earnings and book value per share, contributing to improving our return on equity, over time. Inclusive of dividends, we returned over $90 million in capital to our shareholders in the second quarter. In addition, we continue to expand our book value per share to nearly $62. At this time, let me turn the call over to Robert.

Robert V. McGibney: Thank you, Jeffrey. Our teams continue to execute well balancing pace and price in response to market conditions, driving further efficiencies and build times and managing our direct cost with discipline. I will spend most of my time today talking about our strategic return to what KB Home does best in utilizing a built-to-order model. 1 year ago, on our second quarter fiscal 25 earnings conference call, we shared our intention to return to predominantly BTO business, We acknowledge that doing so would create a temporary trough in deliveries, which we believe is now behind us. Our BTO approach and the benefits of it extend beyond any single quarter's results. It is a structural repositioning of our company that we believe will enable stronger more sustainable performance over time and across market cycles. The fundamental premise of our built to order model is putting the customer at the center from day 1. Our buyers choose their lot, floor plan, and personalized finishes. The result is a home that has real specific value to the people who will live in it. Homes built to customer specifications do not require heavy incentives to sell. The buyers are already invested in and feel a connection to the homes they created. This is in contrast to a speculative business model where incentives are used to create value. In that model, the builder increases the incentives to the point at which the buyers believe they have been adequately compensated for features and finishes they did not choose. Our low cancellation rate reinforces this point. Buyers who commit to a built to order home are genuinely invested in it which means our backlog converts into closings. Critically, for how we run the business, built to order creates a sold backlog before a single foundation is poured. Of the 3.32 thousand net orders we generated in the second quarter, 73% were built to order homes. This is not just a mixed metric. It is the result of a deliberate focus on creating a backlog of sold, not yet started homes, which we believe has 3 principal benefits. First, it gives us visibility and predictability. We enter our construction cycle with certainty about the key variables. The buyer, the price, our cost to build, and the expected close date. When a buyer commits and we lock in the purchase price, our direct costs are established before a shovel hits the ground. We are not exposed to material or labor cost increases for that home after construction begins. Crucially, we know the margin we will achieve at delivery before we start. We view this as a fundamentally lower risk profile than a speculative model where a builder starts a home with an assumption of the future sales price and then finds later at the time of sale that market conditions may require price reductions or heavy incentives. Which compress the margin that looked attractive when construction began. The visibility and predictability that BTO provides translates directly into more efficient operations and more dependable margins on deliveries. Second, it gives us leverage with our trade partners. We currently have over 1.5 thousand sold homes that have not yet started construction. This pipeline of pending starts is an asset we can leverage in negotiations particularly when starts are lower in most of our markets as they are now. Our trade partners want volume and predictable workflow, and we can offer both. In exchange, we secure better cost, keep skilled crews on our job sites, and maintain the even flow production cadence of weekly starts per community that drives efficiency across our entire build cycle. Third, it supports margin quality over time. We can produce better margins on BTO homes because we are building homes for buyers who have made choices for themselves. With the personal personalization and value that matter to them. A predominantly BTO business operating at scale with disciplined execution is the foundation that enables us to expand our margins over time. We focused our selling efforts in our second quarter on BTO homes, and our divisions delivered solid performance that will benefit our results in the second half of our fiscal 2026. BTO homes represented nearly 3 quarters of our net orders as I mentioned earlier. This outcome is a clear positive in what was a challenging spring selling season. Although buyers continue to demonstrate the desire for homeownership, and the ability to qualify, consumer confidence remains low driven by a variety of factors. From elevated mortgage interest rates and affordability pressures to rising inflation and geopolitical uncertainties. We continue to attract a healthy level of traffic to our communities signaling both consumers' interest in purchasing a home and the appeal of our locations and products. And our cancellation rate was stable. Reflecting high quality committed buyers who can close. However, market conditions precipitated a less than optimal conversion of traffic to sales as many consumers lacked the confidence to purchase, resulting in a community absorption rate of 4 net orders per month. Looking at our net orders in more detail, we shared on our last earnings call that sales in March had started out a little slower sequentially. This contributed to average weekly sales for the month of March that were softer than February, which we attributed to a further weakening in consumer confidence associated with the start of the conflict in The Middle East. Combined with rising mortgage interest rates. Moving into April, average weekly sales rebounded, helped by lower interest rates as well as steps we took to improve affordability. Adjusting pricing in certain communities. Allowed us to capture more of the market. While market conditions became more challenging in May with mortgage rates moving higher and inflation accelerating, our sales remained resilient. We view this as an encouraging result given the overall environment. We ended the second quarter with 280 active communities, up 11% year-over-year. We achieved the high end of our target for new communities, including the grand opening of Meridian with 5 different product lines in Henderson, Nevada, 1 of the 2 large land parcels in the Southwest that we acquired last year. The second of these parcels, Sandstone in North Las Vegas, with 4 distinct product lines is scheduled to open later this year. With more than 70 new communities in the first half of this year, We had also attained our peak community count during our second quarter as planned. As we stated on our last earnings call, depending on the pace of sellouts, we expect community count to step down in the second half of this year and we estimate our third quarter ending community count will be between 270 and 280. Our backlog at quarter end was 4.53 thousand homes, which grew 26% sequentially. With the level of BTO net orders that we achieved in the second quarter we are moving closer to growing our backlog year over year and narrowed the gap significantly as compared to our first quarter. Looking ahead, we expect to continue growing our backlog sequentially in the third quarter and believe this will also be the quarter in which we return to year over year backlog growth. This will support our projected sequential increase in deliveries during the second half of fiscal 26 and positions us favorably entering fiscal 27. Our production is as well balanced across the various stages of construction as we have seen in a long time. Having this cadence is another important aspect of our even flow production and ability to negotiate costs with our trade partners. We have a total of 3.99 thousand homes in process. 77% of which are sold. We reduced our finished unsold inventory to 11% of our total production as compared to 25% in the first quarter having sold through much of our aged inventory. Our teams continue to get better and better in efficiently constructing our homes and further reduced our build times in the second quarter by 8 days sequentially to 100 days from home start to completion on BTO homes. The ongoing progress made on this key metric is remarkable driving build times that are now at their lowest best levels in more than a decade. This is an important factor in the customer value proposition of a BTO home. Sharply reducing the differential in the time that it takes to build a personalized home versus purchasing a resale home. Historically, our largest competitor. Shorter build times also allow our customers to lock their mortgage rates more easily and cost efficiently. With faster build times, we can sell later in the year for year end delivery. In 2025, it took us about 5 months to build a home which meant early spring was the latest we could sell BTO homes for same year delivery. Today, with build times closer to 3 months, we could continue selling BTO homes into the summer for same year delivery. By capturing more volume and revenue in the current year, we can better leverage our cost thereby improving our margins and increasing our cash flow. As to direct cost, they have improved significantly in the past 3 years. The magnitude of improvement varies by division as regional mix and product types impact results. And in certain divisions, we have reduced our directs by as much as 15%. More recently, we have seen some pressure on material costs, in particular, lumber, which we are working to offset with savings and trade labor costs. Our lumber strategy is diversified with a variety of wood species and lock periods that helped us mitigate the volatility in lumber for homes that we started in the second quarter. Our teams are drawing on our deep supplier relationships to limit cost increases while also actively rebidding and negotiating our local and national contracts to help manage directs very tightly. In addition, value engineering our products and simplifying our studio offerings are offsetting some of the increases in material cost. Moving on, I will review the credit profile of our buyers who finance their mortgages through our joint venture KBHS Home Loan. These metrics have remained consistent and favorable over the past year starting with our capture rate, with 83% of buyers who financed their home in the second quarter using KBHS. Higher capture rates help us manage our backlog more effectively and provide more certainty in closing dates. Which benefits our company as well as our buyers. In addition, we see higher customer satisfaction levels from buyers who use our JV versus other lenders. The average cash down payment of 15% was fairly steady as compared to prior quarters and equated to about $70 thousand. On average, the household income of customers who use KBHS was about $136 thousand and they had a FICO score of 741. Even with 1-half of our customers purchasing their first home, we are still attracting buyers with strong credit profiles who can qualify for their mortgage while making a significant down payment or pay in cash. About 8% of our deliveries in the second quarter were to all cash buyers. Before I wrap up, let me spend a moment on how we see the remainder of the year unfolding. As we anticipated and is evident in our guidance, we are expecting sequential growth in deliveries, revenue and gross margin in our third quarter and again in our fourth quarter. Specific to our third quarter deliveries, more than 80% of these homes are already in our backlog. Although Bill will provide the details of our guidance in a moment, let me share some context around our Bay Area business. We expect to be a meaningful gross margin contributor in the back half of this year and beyond. We took a patient selective approach to investment in this market given the longer entitlement and development timelines. That positioning is now paying off with a select group of new communities with high ASPs at healthy margins. These communities are now selling and as deliveries ramp up through the second half of 26 and into fiscal 27, we expect them to be a meaningful driver of the margin expansion we are discussing today. In conclusion, while we are managing through a difficult market environment, we are also reestablishing our operating identity as a company that builds homes based on decisions that buyers make, creating real value for them. This model enables backlog visibility, cost leverage, and margin predictability that we believe are meaningful differentiators. And support stronger performance over time, both operationally and financially. We acknowledge that we have more work to do on further improving our gross margin, which we are building toward with intention. And with second quarter results that demonstrate the start of what we expect to be ongoing progress. And with that, I will turn the call back over to Jeffrey.

Jeffrey T. Mezger: Thanks, Robert. We have a favorable lot position, owning or controlling over 59 thousand lots at the end of our second quarter. 38% of which were controlled, and with only 1 community with approximately 100 lots that was land banked. Our long standing approach has been to self finance our land acquisitions, as we believe that only in certain situations does land baking make economic sense for our company. The gross margin erosion and limited risk transfer from the transaction. This approach has the added benefit of a balance sheet that is more transparent. Our growth strategy remains primarily centered on expanding our share within our existing markets. With the geographic footprint that we believe is positioned for long term economic and demographic growth. That said, with the success we have had in selectively entering new markets over the past 5 years, in Seattle, Boise, and Charlotte, with deliveries that are expected to represent about 10% of our fiscal 2026 volume. This year marks our return to Atlanta. This is a top-10 housing market, characterized by strong demand as well as population and job growth. Our local team led by a division president with 25 years of experience in this market. With deep relationships with landowners and sellers, that he developed through his years of working for both national and local homebuilders. We are excited to expand our growth in our Southeast region in this thriving market and we are off to a solid start. We have recently acquired our first land parcel in Atlanta, with a projected community opening date in early 27. Our approach toward allocating our cash flow remains consistent and balanced. We are achieving our priorities of positioning our business for future growth, managing our leverage within our targeted range, and rewarding our shareholders through share repurchases and our quarterly cash dividend. We are maintaining our land investments at a level that will support our current growth projections and invested just under $500 million in land acquisition and development in the second quarter, with roughly 75% of our investment going toward the development and fees for land we already own. In closing, I would like to thank our entire KB Home team for their commitment to serving our homebuyers and the discipline with which they have been executing our built to order model. Which we believe will result in a stronger company going forward. Our year is progressing with expected further sequential improvement in quarterly deliveries revenues and gross margin in the back half of fiscal 26. In addition, anticipated backlog growth will lay the groundwork for fiscal 27. We are rewarding our shareholders with a steady return of capital and we plan to continue our share repurchase program with between $50 million and $100 million of repurchases planned for our third quarter. We remain optimistic about the long term housing market the favorable demographics, underpinning higher demand over time, and the ongoing structural undersupply of homes supporting our opportunity for meaningful future growth. We are committed to delivering long-term shareholder value and we look forward to updating you as the year continues to unfold. And now I will turn the call over to William R. Hollinger for the financial review.

William R. Hollinger: Thank you, Jeffrey. In the 26 second quarter, we generated housing revenues of $1.11 billion. Net income of $27.3 million, and diluted earnings per share of $0.43. We continued our balanced approach to capital allocation with land related investments and returning capital to shareholders through share repurchases and dividends. We also kept our debt to capital ratio at a healthy level. As you recall, last quarter, we provided limited guidance for the 2026 full year. With greater clarity following our second quarter results, including the softer than expected spring selling season, we have refined our 2026 outlook and are providing detailed guidance for both the second the third quarter and full year. Our housing revenues for the second quarter were just above the midpoint of our guidance range, declining 27% compared to $1.52 billion in the prior period. This result reflects a 23% decrease in the number of homes delivered and a 5% decline in their overall average selling price. Primarily driven by general market conditions. The 2.4 thousand homes we delivered in the quarter represented a backlog conversion rate of 66% compared to 70% a year ago. The modestly lower conversion rate was expected this quarter as we continued our strategic shift to a higher mix of built to order homes delivered. In the second quarter, we exceeded our expected mix of BTO net orders. Our renewed focus on bill to order continues to drive sequential backlog growth with our total number of homes in backlog up 45% since the beginning of the year. This trend reflects both our buyers' contracting earlier in the construction cycle and provides greater visibility into future deliveries. And as Robert noted, based on this momentum, we expect our year over year ending backlog comparison to turn positive in the third quarter. Our overall average selling price of homes delivered for the quarter was 462 thousand, up 2% sequentially, due to product and geographic mix. Let me address the anticipated trajectory of our average selling price for the rest of the year. We believe our average selling price will continue rising sequentially. With the increase becoming more pronounced in the fourth quarter as a larger share of deliveries comes from our higher price West Coast region including Northern California, as Robert highlighted, With the current scale of our business, even modest shifts in regional mix can meaningfully impact our average selling price, and we expect these dynamics to work in our favor as the year progresses. Based on our current outlook, we expect third quarter homes delivered to range from 2.6 thousand to 2.8 thousand and our housing revenues to range from $1.2 billion to $1.35 billion. For the 2026 full year, we are updating the guidance we provided last quarter. For our homes delivered, we are maintaining the same mid point while narrowing the expected range to 10.5 thousand to 11 thousand homes. We have also narrowed our range of expected housing revenues to $4.9 billion to $5.3 billion. Homebuilding operating income for the second quarter was $28.2 million compared to $131.5 million for the prior year quarter. Operating income in both the current and year earlier quarters included total inventory charges of $5.6 million. In the current quarter, these charges included a $3.1 million inventory impairment related to a single community which was not due to any market factors. Our homebuilding operating income margin for the quarter was 2.5%, compared to 8.6% for the last year's second quarter, mainly due to our lower housing gross profit margin and selling, general and administrative expenses as a percentage of revenues. Our second quarter housing gross profit margin was 15.2% compared to 15.3% in the first quarter and 19.3% for the year earlier quarter. The year over year decrease primarily reflected pricing pressures higher relative land costs, and reduced operating leverage. Excluding inventory related charges, our housing gross profit margin was 15.7%, which came in just above our guidance range and reflected a modest sequential improvement from the 15.5% for the first quarter. For comparison, the housing gross margin excluding inventory related charges in the year earlier quarter was 19.7%. We are forecasting our housing gross profit margin for the 26 third quarter in the range of 16% to 16.6%. And for the full year in the range of 16.1% to 16.5%, assuming no inventory related charges. Our full year outlook reflects our expectation of a more pronounced sequential margin improvement as the year progresses. Supported by increased operating leverage, a growing proportion of built to order homes delivered, and favorable mix shift toward higher price, higher margin West Coast communities, particularly in the Northern California. As these factors take hold, we anticipate the year over year housing gross margin gap to continue to narrow over the balance of the year. Let me take a moment to expand on the sequential margin progression that we anticipate for the remainder of the year. The midpoint of our third quarter guidance at 16.3% represents a 60-basis-point of sequential improvement. We expect our third quarter margin to benefit mainly from an increase in operating leverage of roughly 30 basis points along with a lift from a higher mix of BTO deliveries. Our full year margin guidance implies a further step up in fourth quarter. At the midpoint about 100 basis points of sequential expansion. We anticipate this improvement to be driven primarily by roughly 60 basis points of positive operating leverage along with more meaningful contribution from our expanding BTO mix and additional upside from a favorable mix shift towards higher priced higher margin West communities. The projected sequential improvement also reflects some modest offsets which are incorporated into our guidance. Our selling, general, and administrative expense ratio for the 2026 second quarter was 12.7%,, at the midpoint of our guidance. SG&A for the quarter included $1.5 million of expenses related to the planned relocation of our corporate headquarters to Tempe, Arizona in 2027, which we announced in April. We anticipate recognizing additional relocation related expenses each quarter until the move is fully completed. We will outline the estimated total costs in our second quarter Form 10 Q which we plan to file on or about July 9. These anticipated expenses are included in our guidance while our total overhead for the quarter decreased from a year ago our SG&A ratio increased mainly due to lower operating leverage. We are forecasting our 26 third quarter SG&A ratio to be in the range of 11.3% to 11.9%, and our 2026 full year ratio to be in the range of 11.4% to 11.8%. Expect our SG&A ratio to continue to improve sequentially in the second half of the year, mainly due to increased volume and resulting higher revenues. Our income tax expense of $9.9 million for the quarter represented an effective tax rate of 26.6%, compared to the 24.2% for the year earlier quarter. A higher than expected rate versus our previous guidance was primarily due to lower benefits from stock based compensation reflecting fewer stock options exercises than anticipated. All our outstanding stock options are set to expire in October. We expect our effective tax rate to range from 19% to 21% for the 26 third quarter which assumes the exercise of all outstanding stock options. For the full year, we anticipate our effective tax rate will be approximately 22% to 24%, slightly lower than last quarter's guidance. As we noted, our previous earnings call, our tax rate in the second half will reflect the reduced impact of energy tax credits due to their elimination for homes delivered after June 30, 2026. As I previously mentioned, we generated net income of $27.3 million and diluted earnings per share of $0.43. This compares to net income of $107.9 million and diluted earnings per share of $1.50 for the same quarter of last year. Our diluted average share count for the current quarter was down 12% year over year reflecting the impact of our share repurchase activity. Turning to the balance sheet. We continued our balanced approach to capital allocation investing in future growth, and returning excess capital to shareholders. In the second quarter, our investment in land acquisition and development was nearly $500 million, bringing our year to date total to $1.06 billion. This is down 26% from last year's first half when we purchased the 2 large land parcels in our Southwest region as Robert referred to earlier. We ended the quarter with an inventory balance of approximately $5.7 billion, up slightly from where we ended 2025. During the quarter, we repurchased 1.4 million shares of our common stock at a total cost of $75 million, bringing our total year-to-date free purchases to 2.2 million shares at a total cost of $125 million. With $775 million remaining under our current board authorization and a solid balance sheet, we have the flexibility to continue to repurchase shares. In the second quarter, we also paid roughly $15 million in dividends representing annualized yield of approximately 2%. We ended the quarter with total liquidity of $1.12 billion, including $200 million of cash and $923 million available under our unsecured revolving credit facility with $275 million of cash borrowings outstanding. Our debt to capital ratio was 34.1% at the end of the quarter, compared to 30.3% at the end of 2025 reflecting the credit facility borrowings. We have no debt maturities until June 2027. With our land position, liquidity, and well laddered debt maturities, we feel prepared to manage through the current environment. These strengths support a balanced and disciplined approach to capital allocation in 2026 and beyond. And our continued focus on long term value creation for our shareholders. For the remainder of 2026, the volume pace, and timing of land investments share repurchases, and financing activities will depend on several factors, including our operating cash flow, liquidity outlook, land investment opportunities and needs, and our share price and broader housing market and economic conditions. To wrap up, while the spring selling season was softer than expected given consumer affordability challenges and uptick in mortgage interest rates and broader macroeconomic and geopolitical uncertainty we made meaningful progress in returning to a predominantly built to order business and positioning our operations for future profitable growth. With the first half of the year now behind us, and our backlog up sequentially, over that period, we have a greater clarity on the drivers shaping the remainder of 2026 and believe we are poised to deliver on our outlook. We will now take your questions. John, please open the lines.

Operator: Thank you. We will now conduct a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate that your line is in the question queue. You may press 2 if you would like to remove a question from the queue. We ask that you limit yourself to 1 question and 1 follow-up. Thank you. 1 moment, please, while we poll for questions. Thank you. And the first question comes from the line of John Lovallo with UBS. Please proceed with your question.

John Lovallo: Good evening, guys, and thank you for taking my questions. The gross margin walk that you guys provided from 2Q to 3Q and 3Q to 4Q was really helpful, so I appreciate that. But I guess the question I have is, I believe you mentioned 30 basis points of sequential operating leverage 2Q to 3Q and then 60 basis points from 3Q to 4Q.

Jeffrey T. Mezger: I am curious how would this compare in your mind to kind of a normal year in other words, is there anything unusual in this expected leverage?

William R. Hollinger: Yeah. John, I think it is a pretty normal trend. We always deliver more in a second half than we do the first half. It is probably there was less leverage in Q2 because we had the trough in deliveries than we would have in a normal Q2. And we, we have a an overhead structure in place that can continue to handle the scale as we get into 2027 as well. So in part, it is it is what we are seeing in Q3 and Q4, but we think we can continue to benefit looking ahead.

John Lovallo: Okay. that is helpful. And then you did a nice job of answering my next question as well, but maybe I could just ask it a little bit differently.

Jeffrey T. Mezger: that is the fourth-quarter delivery ASP, you talked about some of the drivers of that. It seems like it is going to approach somewhere around 500 thousand which would be up sort of $30 thousand sequentially. And you talked about BTO and some of the Bay Area deliveries. I guess the question would be, is there any way to kind of parse out the benefit from just BTO versus the Bay Area deliveries? And is there anything else that we should sort of consider in that in that step up in ASP?

William R. Hollinger: I think you have really got them all 3 there, John. Between the leverage from the scale, the BTO shift, and then what we are expecting is a mix change that is favorable for both ASP and margin and, and revenue. In Q4.

Jeffrey T. Mezger: Yeah. We have not really we have not really parsed through outside of the leverage piece the specific drivers from that the other part of that incremental step up.

Operator: And the next question comes from the line of Matthew Bouley with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.

Matthew Bouley: Hey, good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for taking the questions. So kind of similar line of questioning on the on the BTO mix and California mix I think I heard you say for the fourth quarter gross margin, the midpoint is around 17.3%. And correct me if I am wrong, So in that fourth quarter, is the BTO mix kind of at the, you know, targeted run rate and so we can kinda run with that jump off point for 2027. And then on the California mix, similar question. I think I heard you say you are going to expect benefits there into 2027. So kind of a finer point on your 4Q expectations and what it means for 2027 there on both those fronts. Thank you.

William R. Hollinger: As far as the PTO mix, I would not say we will be fully there. We expected the BTO on deliveries is probably going to be plus or minus in the 70% range when we get to Q4. I think there is some potential upside beyond that, and we will still have some spec coverage that we are doing likely as we get into Q4. Was the other part of the question?

Robert V. McGibney: Oh, the West Coast piece. So we talked about this a little bit on our on our last call. You know, certainly, we see that playing through in the But when we think specifically about our Northern California, really the Bay Area business, south and north, teams there have done a good job of growing the lot pipeline. And, you know, we are coming off of a few years where that lot pipeline was a little thinner. Deliveries were a little thinner, but we are seeing a good book of business that is coming through, high ASPs, strong margins, and do not see that as a Q3/Q4 event really. We see it more as a structural change that is going to be with us for a long time now that we have got our discipline and our rhythm back in that area of the country.

Matthew Bouley: Awesome. Great. Great. Thanks for that color. And then secondly, I wanted to, I guess, touch a little bit on the comments around the spring selling season. I think you said there were some price adjustments in April then you said in May, there might have been additional challenging market conditions. So I am curious, I guess, number 1, it maybe if you could draw that into June, anything you have seen more recently? But then also, I am wondering if these factors are included in the margin guidance for 2026 or any of these kind of pricing adjustments, you know, could they still kind of bleed into what you see in 2027? Thanks, guys, and good luck.

Robert V. McGibney: Yeah. So we have just to take the last part first, we have absolutely put in everything into our guide. As we see it. We are we are just we have got a lot better visibility than we have had in prior years because of the backlog that we have resulting from our shift to BTO. So it is fully baked into our guidance and our projections for the back half of 26. As far as June goes, I would say, you know, we are not really seeing any surprising changes from how things trended in the second quarter. We are seeing the typical seasonality trends coming out of the spring selling season, but our order pace has been steady and it is tracking right in line with our expectations. And nothing in the cadence through June has given us any cause for concern. it is playing out about the way that we would expect it to so far, and it supports our plan and our guidance for the back half of the year. On top of that, our BTO mix continues to build as a percentage of orders. Which we are pleased with. Thank you.

Operator: And the next question comes from the line of Stephen Kim with Evercore ISI. Please proceed with your question.

Stephen Kim: Yeah. Thanks very much, guys. Appreciate all the color. Jill, nice to hear you on the call again. I guess my first question, I am going to start with the California or the Bay Area deliveries. In the communities, in particular, I think you indicated that this is that is going to, you know, provide a positive impact. Not just this year, but I think you said this year and beyond. And I wanted to touch on that phrase. So you know, we obviously have a select group of communities in the Bay that, you know, with higher ASPs, higher margins, all that kind of thing. I wanted to make sure that I am understanding what that you are saying that this is actually that there is a pipeline of similar communities in your land holdings behind that. I wanted to make sure that is actually true. I am not going to, you know, see things drop back once these communities sell out, for example, So can you talk about the pipeline of the communities at sort of this that kind of price point? And can you talk about maybe what drove the change, effectively, why maybe the dropout, why you had a period where that where you did not have those communities? And just provide some color there. Thanks.

Robert V. McGibney: Sure, Steve. So, you know, as far as the communities themselves, we have got generally you know, larger lot counts in the community portfolio or the book of business and just more of them coming. Some of them are on structured take downs. But as we look at the way that this area has developed for us, To the second part of your question, it is really getting back to what we once were in this Bay Area business. So we have, you know, had some changes with the management teams up there over the last several years. We are happy with the team we have got now. They have been delivering good deal flow. We have been pleased with the communities that they have opened, and we have continued to invest in those areas. So there was a time when the Core South Bay was 1 of our most profitable divisions for a long time, and it had really shrunk down to a pretty small business. And we have been growing that back, and we are just now getting to the point where we are seeing the results of that flow through the delivery. So it was a bit of a trough, if you will, in deliveries coming out of that specific region that we have now got back on track, and we are pleased with.

Jeffrey T. Mezger: Yeah.

Stephen Kim: That sounds really great. Kind of more of a normalization then. that is that is great.

Robert V. McGibney: Yeah. Exactly.

Stephen Kim: Next question relates to land. And so when we look at your land holdings, it seems like you walked away I do not know, maybe 1.75 thousand lots or something like that. Mostly in your option count, it seems like, so you walked away from some options. I was wondering if you could talk about your thinking around that decline, what sort of drove it, were there some you know, is that is that getting you to a level that you feel comfortable with? Maybe if you could talk about what you think the long term optimal level of land owned and option is. Not mix, but year's supply of each, that would be great. Thanks.

Robert V. McGibney: So we try to target a 3- to 5-year supply of lots. And, you know, there are ins and outs and puts and takes with that and know, if it is the right deal, we may go longer than that. We certainly buy deals that know, are closer to just a year's worth of deliveries. But as far as the lots that we have chosen to walk away from, it is really this just been about staying disciplined to our approach. And making sure that as we are focused on driving growth, that is profitable growth. And as you know, the market's been choppy. Things have moved around a lot. And we are not afraid to walk away from deals that we have under option or under contract if they no longer make financial sense. And our first salvo is to go approach the landowner or the seller and renegotiate a better price or better terms, but we do not always get that. And that is really the driver of why we have walked away from some of the lots that you are referring to. Most of them really all of them have been deals that we have tied up with the deposit, and we are you know, in feasibility or through due diligence and have not gotten a lot of money invested in it at that point. And, we are just not going to keep proceeding down a path on a deal that we do not see as meeting our return hurdles. Thank you.

Operator: And the next question comes from the line of Mike Dahl with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Mike Dahl: Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. Sorry for the repetitive ones on California, but can you just remind us maybe what percentage of deliveries and revenues did that did that division used to represent for you What did it drop down to these past couple of years? And then what when you are talking about kind of having the pipeline, does that assume can you just help us quantify a little bit better, like, what percentage of mix this represents since it does seem to be kind of a meaningful thing for you?

Jeffrey T. Mezger: Yep. Mike, we do not really have that data at hand. The reason that we specifically called out the Bay Area in the second quarter, the what Robert walked through. We had a challenged situation up there. Our team was not delivering. Our results really eroded, and we did not share on our calls that the results were eroding because it would have just come off as an excuse. And we powered through it, and we have rebuilt the business. The pipeline's back where it is healthy and going in the right direction, then for years and years, the South Bay division was 10% to 15% of our profit. Just that 1 division. And a lot of that went away, and now it is coming back. And it is a combination of a high AS high margin area that is also performing very well right now. it is 1 of the best housing markets in the country. So we are we are calling it out now because at our current scale, the change in ASP can be pretty significant. As you are seeing in our guide for the fourth quarter, But the pipeline's there, and we continue to expect bigger and better things in future years.

Mike Dahl: Yeah. Okay. I hear you, Jeffrey. I think a finer point at some point might be helpful just to underscore, like, the and then help us all with the confidence that is going to be like, something that is kind of a good go forward run rate or continued kind of improvement lever. I guess just shifting gears back to the demand side, appreciate the comments on June being seasonal. Can you just on that cadence through May, if you were at 4 a month for the quarter, can you be more specific about kind of where May sat? And then when you talk about June being seasonal, was that seasonal as in what you would see in 3Q versus 2Q typically, or was it seasonal off of what was a weaker than normal May? Just help us dial that in a little bit better if you could.

Robert V. McGibney: Well, you know, really, the March, which we usually expect to be 1 of our best selling months, of the of the spring selling season was what we really saw. And as I walked through in the prepared remarks, there was a lot going on at that time. I think a lot weighed on the consumer psyche, specifically, late February, the very end of February, the conflict in The Middle East kicking off. So we were happy with the way that sales rebounded in April. And I would say that you know, April and May were stronger than March was. If you were to distill it all down. As we have gotten into June, really, it is continued on about where we ended, up with March. So orders have been strong. They have been in line with our expectations. And it is about this time of year we usually start to see more of a seasonal summer slowdown. And you know, without getting into specific sales results and dates and weeks, I would say what we are seeing right now is aligned with that typical seasonal pattern. Thank you.

Operator: And the next question comes from the line of Alan Ratner with Zelman and Associates. Please proceed with your question.

Alan Ratner: Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Early evening. I appreciate all the details so far, and, nice job with the, the improvement towards pivoting back to PTO. My first question, I want to add on some of the questions on the lot count and, I guess, the land market more broadly. Your lot count is down quite a bit over the last 4 to 5 quarters, down over 20% from where it peaked early last year. And I am just curious now, as we think about community count, beyond this year, how should we think about the impact of the decline we have seen in lot count over the last 5 quarters? Is that going to result in some compression or kind of an air pocket in community count maybe out in 27 or 28, And to follow on to that, I guess, is more broadly in the land market in general, have you seen any relief or correction in land prices that get you guys excited that there might be some opportunities to rebuild that pipeline over the next few quarters? Thank you.

Jeffrey T. Mezger: Yes. Alan, I will take the first half and then kick it to Robert for the current environment. If you think about it, the lots owned and controlled started going down as the market started going down. And as things got very volatile, if you will, with pricing and consumer sentiment and whatnot. We were having trouble getting things to underwrite. And if you go back to 2021, 2022, the market was going the other way. It was easier to underwrite, and we tied up a lot of deals. So as we sit here today, we are actively looking at deals each week. We intend to grow the company and we are positioned. Our balance sheet supports it, and do have growth targets out there for 2027. And 2028 that the divisions are pursuing. What is interesting, and then I will hand it to Robert, we are seeing some opportunities for finished lot deals as the markets are resetting. Where, we can get into things. We have plug and play product and get to deliveries sooner than later as opposed to what we have been through in the Bay Area with long term entitlement plays. So the market is irrational to me, and there is finished lot opportunities, and we are chasing those right now.

Robert V. McGibney: Yeah. Yeah. As far as the overall land market goes, I would say that we are beginning to see more than what we have seen over the past couple of years as far as the sellers starting to come to terms with the reality of the current market. I would not say that it is fully adjusted to the point where you can go out and, you know, most of our markets and just start adding lots at scale that would meet our underwriting hurdles today. But certainly, looking at things like better terms, in some cases, prices coming down, maybe less competition out there for some of the lots. But overall, I would say that the sellers are starting to get a little more constructive with tethering their land price and the finished lot price that we would get to where current prices are today and where the current values are today. So think there is more work to do, and it is, again, like with a lot of these things, it is a market-by-market story. Some have, softened up more than others, especially where you have seen house prices come down, and there is data at the point to. But overall, I would say it is getting-- there is more, you know, rational thinking as far as the land sellers go on the value of their asset.

Alan Ratner: Great. I appreciate the color, guys. Thanks a lot.

Operator: And the next question comes from the line of Rafe Jadrzych with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Rafe Jadrosich: Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. Can you guys just provide the percent of deliveries that were built to order in the second quarter and maybe the cadence for the back half of the year?

Robert V. McGibney: Are you talking orders or deliveries? For how much were deliveries in the in the second quarter were BTO?

Rafe Jadrosich: Yeah.

Robert V. McGibney: It was it was 60% in the second quarter, and we see that progressing. You know, we are not gonna call the ball on the on the exact number. But as I said, we think that will I would expect that we would be, you know, plus or minus around continue to ramp up. And by the time we get to Q4, 70% of our deliveries coming from built to order.

Rafe Jadrosich: Great. that is helpful. And then as you look at sort of the outlook for gross margin, Just you mentioned starting to see some lumber inflation. what is the assumption in terms of stick and brick costs and land inflation as you move through the back half of this year?

Jeffrey T. Mezger: So we look at, you know, any time we are putting financials together or guide together, we are basing everything off of today. So it is today's sales prices, today's cost. And you know, that we do not have a crystal ball with where things are headed. Certainly, there is been a lot of talk about pressure around fuel related price increases, and we have been pushing those off and negotiating those off. Now you have got fuel prices coming down. So we are not looking out and projecting where commodity prices or things like that may go. We are basing it on as we see it today, our prices are, where the revenue side is and where our cost side is coming in.

Robert V. McGibney: Yeah. Yeah. The other thing, you know, is we are we are seeing I mentioned it in my prepared remarks, but across most of our markets, probably close to all of our markets, we are seeing a pretty significant decline in starts year over year. And I mentioned the 1.5 thousand homes that we have that are sold not started right now. I think that is a great asset and a powerful tool that we can leverage for better cost. So even as things get if they get a little bumpy or prices move around, we have got that asset that we can leverage for those starts. And generally, when starts are coming down, our trade partners get hungrier for work, and that will either keep a lid on cost or potentially drive them down from today's levels. Thank you.

Operator: And the next question comes from the line of Paul Przybylski with Wolfe Research. Please proceed with your question.

Analyst: Thanks. Good afternoon. I guess to start off, congratulations again on the build to order shift. Related to that, historically, I think build to order has had a 300- to 500-basis-point gross margin premium to spec. Are you seeing that spread continue to hold or you had to kind of shrink that somewhat? to get that increased mix?

Robert V. McGibney: No. We are we actually have not seen that change in probably the better part of 2 years. it is it is been within that range, and really the midpoint is about right. I mean, we could probably even tighten that. So I am it is right around 4 points of spread is what we typically see between BTO and, and spec sales, even within the same community, same product. Okay. And then I guess, you know, you mentioned your reentry into Atlanta. How long do you think it will take you to get that, you know, market to scale and why now and do you have any other markets on your radar? Yeah. Well, you know, we had our startup in Seattle several years ago, and that is been really a model for us that we would like to follow. And only a few years have passed since we entered that market, and we have now grown it to a top-3 position. So we would like to replicate that in Atlanta just like we are working on in Boise. And Atlanta is very new. We just acquired our first land deal there. Know, I do not really have a prediction for, you know, when or how big we can get there, we think there is a great opportunity. it is a top-10 housing market, and we have got a really good template with what we have done with Seattle, what we have done with Boise, and other places that we can follow there. And we are we are excited about the opportunity and the growth opportunity we can drive coming out of Atlanta. Thank you.

Operator: And the next question comes from the line of Jade Rahmani with KBW. Please proceed with your question.

Jade Rahmani: Thank you very much. Just on the San Francisco question,, which happens to be, I think, the strongest real estate market in the country. what is the sustainability of your community count and land supply in the market? And the current demand outlook that you are seeing?

Robert V. McGibney: Yeah. Well, we are like I said, we are happy with the footprint and the portfolio that we have developed and it really all comes down to acquiring new deals as we sell through and deliver on the assets that we have got. So you know, our teams are out there. We feel like we have got a really strong land team in that market. They know how to work entitlements They know how to work the processes. They are well connected. So our approach is to grow it certainly from where we are today. As we mentioned, it had shrunk down. We did not like seeing that happen. We are happy with getting it back to, what I would call stable and now growing. And our focus is on continuing to grow it as long as we can continue to find profitable land deals.

Jade Rahmani: And could you quantify by what magnitude your expecting to ramp up land investment in the Bay Area?

Robert V. McGibney: No. I mean, we are-- I am going to stay away from that 1. I mean, it is, you know, it is we are looking to grow all of our all of our cities that we operate in, all of our divisions, all of our regions. So we do not really do capital allocation in a way that we would say we are gonna allocate x to this division or this area. We look at every deal. We are open for business every Monday on land committee. And if a deal meets our hurdles and we like the proposition, then we are gonna do it. But we do not really look at it in terms of you know, allocating a certain amount of capital or, defining a certain level of land acquisition that we are after in a specific market.

Jade Rahmani: Thank you.

Operator: And the next question comes from the line of Jay McCanless with Citizens Bank. Please proceed with your question.

Analyst: Hey, good afternoon. My first question just with the very high level of M&A we have seen this year. Is that opening up any potential tailwinds for KB? Or is it creating some headwinds as the 7 way seems to keep going?

Jeffrey T. Mezger: Jay, for us, it is business as usual. We do not want to comment on what others have done but we see our real opportunities to grow and stay focused on KB Home. You know, a logo changes. I do not know anything else changes. Right. Well, I just-- Alan kind of stole my question around the community count, but I did not know if all this turnover and ownership was giving you guys an opportunity to maybe grow the community count, add some lots a little bit faster. Well, we are always looking at the private builders. And it is most of the time, it is difficult to get it to pencil because they want a premium to sell their communities, and you throw the premium on, then you do not get the margin. So we are, our saying here is keep turning all the rocks over and see what we can find. So we are out looking at M&A, but we have not been able to find 1 that works in the last couple of years.

Analyst: Understood. Okay. Thanks for taking my question.

Operator: Thank you. And ladies and gentlemen, that is the end of the question and answer session. That also concludes today's teleconference. We thank you for your participation. You may disconnect your lines at this time.